Agriculture and Farming policy discussion

Good luck with that. My experience is that farmer already try to manage feral animals but, sometimes, there just aren’t enough bullets …

What about kangaroos? With a wet 2016 winter the roos are breading big time but now things are dry they’re coming closer to humans looking for green pick.

Well shit, if you want a fight this is how to do it. So now I have to wear hi-vis in national parks? fuck that. And who pays for it? oh, and what further training would you require hunters to undertake?


Woah, calm down there Captain; some of us sailors don’t appreciate the bad language! I was just shooting some ideas. :roll_eyes:


Good point. What do you think is causing this? Is there a tax on ammo? How difficult is it to import or put together a reloading set-up in Australia?

Politics is all about the fight. Maybe I’m wrong and what I suggested is a terrible idea. But please provide some actual criticisms on why this policy is a bad one. If we want to be taken seriously as a party we can’t shy away from standing up for policies we believe in.

How to correctly identify targets for one. Disposing of carcasses so that wild dog’s don’t get a free feed (this is an actual problem in many areas). Other best-practices otherwise not covered by the test you do to get your A/B license. I could go on…

AGAIN I’m just shooting some ideas. Please don’t think I believe in these policies 100%, but we need some real discussion before we can develop something concrete.

A magical entity called “the tax-payer”. The current lot in Canberra spend money on some relatively absurd projects. If we were to allow hunting in national parks you would have to spend some money to balance safety issues.

I suspect you mean me. No, I won’t stop swearing. Fuck that as well. Words are NOT magical.

Goldenmane’s third rule of public discourse … also known as rule fucking #3. Swear a lot.

There’s a tax on almost everything. It’s called GST. Many shooters reload (not me). The problems is the number of feral animals, and the time I have.

So, I’ve been out of the loop for a while but correctly identifying targets seems fairly straight forward. If it’s on two legs it’s probably human (or kangaroo). I’m feeling my age but I can still tell the difference.

Carcass disposal should be a part of the shooting experience but in the middle of nowhere it becomes … difficult. If I shot 20 roos a night I’d spend the majority of my time picking them up. Fuck that. I clean them up in the hay paddocks but that’s all they get. And what about those animals that die through other circumstances? Should they be picked up as well? Fuck that too. And while I’m at it, wild dogs are a problem created by touchy-feely townies who wanted to set a pet “free” rather than deal with it like an adult or, just don’t give a fuck. Fuck all them too. People should have a licence to own a pet.

Please, go on. I’d like to know what “best-practices” you have in mind.

It’s not a magical bucket of never ending money. Are you pulling my tackle?

Why? Just close the park. Solved.

And I’m shooting back. Ideas exist to be destroyed.


“A university pathway is highly valued, ought to be available, ought to be accessible with minimal sense of struggle for rural children and indeed students everywhere but so should a high quality vocational pathway.”

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Here is an organisation with exactly this mission


Rebates on ammo for demonstrated feral kills?
Could it be a Job Guarantee job to hunt and kill ferals for minimum wage, with potentially free ammo provided? At least if there is pay involved disposal of carcasses, hi-vis vests and high quality training provided could be part of the job description - “park ranger/pest controller”. That way you don’t just have hobby hunters coming in and taking a wage for something they’d otherwise do for free i.e. if you want to get paid by the hour for pest control you need to meet those requirements and do it by the book. Potential source of income for unemployed in rural/regional areas and farmers during hard times, better than eking out an existence off of Newstart/UBI.


just sayin’


Well, since it’s calving season and since I have a migraine right now, I’d give my left leg for the damned cows around here being a little quieter.

No, I haven’t turned into a farmer, but I am currently living on a dairy farm (400 acres, approx. 380 head of cattle, not counting the calves).

lol … wait until the calves are weaned. That’s when the cows get loud!

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That’s already begun. What do you think triggered the migraine? :wink:

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It’s occurred to me that our gene-patents policy is a little incomplete; it doesn’t really consider non-human non-natural genes.

What is a non-natural gene?

Are you talking about the artificial nucleotides X,Y compared to the usual A,C,G,T?

I think of genes as the code that programs living things. By virtue of being living, it is in my mind ‘natural’ and should not be subject to IP law.

Artificial gene sequences, not new nucleotides.

I’m thinking more about the sort of ‘bit-twiddling’ equivalent that CRISPR enables rather than the cruder transgenic splicing.

There’s also an interesting comparison with the right to be able to understand and modify the software on your devices.


We should definitely be clear on this and certainly permissive of the use of it on one’s self, while cautious of permitting unregulated commercial or political (ideological) exploitation of it.


I mentioned the issue in my submission to the Copyright Regulations initiative :

I’ll point it out to the reporters


I think this is a reasonable idea …

Farmers hope the new ‘ag visa’ would be flexible enough to allow workers to return year-on-year, for say three to five years, before renewal was needed.

This would address their concerns around having to train people every year — from scratch — during their busy harvest season.

I’ve never used seasonal workers.

I guess as long as it also improves the capacity of using seasonal work as a foreign aid employment opportunity then such improvements should be considered a good thing.

On the one hand I am a bit adverse to bringing in foreign workers from poor countries to “exploit” their cheap labour. However when we consider we live in a world without open boarders, providing the opportunity for people from developing countries to come and work at Australian minimum wages for Australian dollars, is a good thing for those countries. Remittances in Australian Dollars help their economies support their own currencies to buy needed imports, as well as creating demand for their labour and driving up their wages.

In theory we could drive up the costs of seasonal work by barring foreign imports of “exploited” seasonal workers to drive up wages until it either employed domestic workers or sent those types of agricultural businesses offshore. However given agriculture is limited by location there is no guarantee that driving these businesses offshore would result in them moving to those developing countries that need the work.

As for the backpackers, I don’t really give any hoots about them. If they can get seasonal work on farms great, but if they don’t it’s not some sort of dire consequence or great injustice that takes food off their plate and impoverishs them - I mean they’re on an overseas holiday so it’s not like they are doing it tough.