It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD

I’m sorry David. This is simply not the way to deal with these important matters. A yes or no - without any real discussion or source material to refer to. This is why, I offered to meet over a beer to discuss in detail. Just for your info too David, I have disabled hands and thus going into a big written piece is VERY difficult for me to physically do.

Your posts suggest to me that you have a too simplistic approach to these profoundly important issues. It will neither serve your interests, my interests, nor the PPAU’s interests to try and deal with these matters in this manner. Sorry pal.

How about you start with the simple answers, then choose to dig in, in as much detail as you’d like, on any answers where I need to be corrected?

David. I have just advised you of my physical handicap pal. I have also advised you that to deal with any of the issues above requires some in depth discussion. I’m more than happy to listen to your input and arguments, and where I can I will try & contribute where I can.

P.S. why are you asking me about who controls the world? And what religion are they? This is a kooky question pal. Are you an Anti Semite? If so, I am not touching this.

You don’t seem to struggle to type heaps of content.

And no, I’m not an anti-semite, but your facebook feed is full of, at best, dog whistles. Evil zionists, globalists, NWO, Soros, all the greatest hits get a mention.

Ok, I’m now out son. You have no intention of exploring nor listening.

You are on a set up mission to belittle and discredit.

Very shallow attempt pal. I didn’t come down in the last shower.

No more from me. I’m not entertaining you any longer. My offer to fly you in for a genuine face to face is withdrawn. There was flights from San Francisco to Brisbane for $970 AUD. But you ain’t worth the money, nor my time.

John Wilson Out.

This has been for the audience, not for you. Denialists don’t change their minds during conversations.

If you run for the national council again, I will be pointing people at this thread, including your facebook page, which I assume will remain littered with your conspiracy theories.

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Go for it lad.

You live in California.

This explains quite a lot.

You’re damaged goods.

Point away

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John Wilson, putting the piracy in conspiracy. Looks like you’re a popular fella: https://ohpi.org.au/conspiracy-theories/

Ha ha ha LOL!

Dear oh me. Ok Soyboy - do you darnedest

You are a hoot pal! A real hoot!

My California comment must have really triggered you hey pal. Ha Ha Ha!

Much love to you pal. But you’re flogging a dead horse.

It’s been years since I’ve even looked at this party, and holy actual fucking wow. What an amazing collapse this party has undergone.

It is horrendous to see how far this party has fallen since my time leading it. Conspiracies run rampant, and the National Council can hardly fill its vacancies, and yet you expect to be taken seriously when you contest an election?

Utterly disgraceful, the lot of you. Pack up and do something else, because whatever this is is just an exercise in self-humiliation and futility.

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Brendan -

Please identify when the rot set in, because the last time I recall you denouncing PPAU was only about a year after you quit the party, and 18 months after you stepped down.

If only because Miles and I are the ones who have to deal with it all now.

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Thank you @dcrafti or staying level headed. I agree with Alex, that @John_Wilson your conduct is well out of line.

@piecritic, you gave up on the party for any of half a dozen reasons which you conveniently seem to cycle through depending on who you are talking to. I always looked up to you and welcome your input.

However while the political landscape of Australia has changed since 2009, the need for our party has not. If our party did not exist then I and every one of our other members would continue advocating for our platform in other minor parties. Agitating for reform, not throwing our hands in the air and fleeing when things don’t go our way.

Regarding this thread’s topic; my personal opinion and that of the National Council is irrelevant because our roles place us as guides and guards of the party’s mission with the strength of the party behind us.

But it’s my opinion that you’re several years out of date and that John’s opinion here which you dislike so much is a minority within the party.

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Miles & Alex.

If I have been out of line then both of you have my sincere apologies. I will be more cautious going forward. Both of you have my full and unequivocal support. I have a huge disparity in that I come from another era. Another epoch where rough & blunt talk was the norm. I promised Alex I would be respectful to David C & I was. When there was an ongoing conflict I even offered to meet with him to discuss - not knowing he was a USA resident. Now I find that David has done the unthinkable. He has taken an extraordinary step in an invalid complaint with some bodgie ‘hate speech’ web site to which WHO owns is a mystery. I was set up Alex & Miles. Simply set up. My views are not conspiracies. I remind you both that I have occupied one of the highest Trade Union offices in Australia. I have dealt with 3 Prime Ministers - 2 of which have been to my house for political discussions and cups of tea. My family (father) has been awarded a highly valued OAM from the Queen of England II and my family (several of them) are highly decorated and respected diplomatic and political people. I am astounded by these past official’s conduct - simply astounded. My posted assessment about President Trump is right on the money. If everyone disagrees then fine - give it about 8-12 weeks then come back & see me and then tell me I’m wrong.

Miles. I also understand that my stated opinion earlier is not just a minority within the PPAU - but indeed it would be the ONLY and SOLE opinion held within the party. I simply accept that. This is why I love the PPAU because you can have a wacky opinion and yet it is still accepted because of the PPAU’s commitment to Free Speech.

But now I’m not so sure. If I now have a difference of opinion, only then to have any and all of my posted thoughts reported to some bodgie authority as Hate Speech or Conspiracy Theory is simply disgraceful. I mean, the PPAU is out fighting tooth and nail against censorship - yet a past President uses the apparatus of the State to silence those with whom he disagrees with. Simply disgraceful. It is a measure that I would NEVER EVER contemplate.

I mean think about it. Is this the PPAU accepted standard? If so, then perhaps I may be in the wrong political organisation.

I will note your position on this issue. If there is nothing stated then I will assume that it is fine to conduct oneself in this manner.

I pretty much agree with Brendan, if what he said was toned down a little. But I think that was always our difference haha.

@alexjago and @miles_w I know you both have been putting in the effort to keep things running, but it’s probably time to consider that what ever funds are left, they’d be better off being donated to EFA or DRW at this point and calling it a day, and demonstrating that the party can be wrapped up cleanly is probably the best outcome. Create the space for something else to emerge.

What ever you decide to do, I implore you not to go into an election with some of the people on the NC expressing the views that we have seen in this thread and others. It’s just not worth it.

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Discerning this, requires stepping back to evaluate the information they present structurally, and assessing their motives for choosing this context. This is a vital distinction which many people are unaware of and unwittingly fall prey to, which is actively abetted by people employing Toxic Drama.

To succeed against us, they must rope us into the game, baiting us into sacrificing our objectivity, failing to ask ourselves basic questions like “Why are these people speaking to me, what do they want from me?” Stepping-back to make these structural assessments is essential to preserving ourselves, our personal boundaries, from aggressive violation.

The Zionist Useful Idiots as a group–are people trapped in the tragedy of Toxic Drama do not have personal boundaries, and reflexively attack people who do have healthy boundaries. They automatically loathe and despise us free thinkers at a glance, without knowing why. However, they are by definition craven, and will only attack people with healthy boundaries from the security of distance, from behind the microphone, or when they believe they outnumber us around 50:1.

This is why laughter, is one of our best defenses and deadliest weapons against them. And of course, “Guns, lots of guns.” :camera:<3

Falling for their Drama, we consent to becoming emotionally or intellectually engaged, we consent to getting tricked into setting aside our critical thinking. Hoodwinking us into play, into the show, is the essential prerequisite to every card trick and magic act. The exploitation of this vulnerability is referred to as getting ‘hooked’ by someone, which is closely related to allowing ourselves to become ‘triggered.’

Before we consent to getting into the sack with some dreamy vision of seduction, yo potato, meet his or her parents, sibs friends etc, to learn what you’re getting into. Furthermore, making them date you chastely for one full year, is the only sure way to discern if you’re being seduced by a psychopath.

Psychopaths, parasitical devours of souls, are far more common than we are lead to believe, and are able to nearly perfectly mask themselves. It takes that long to see past Mr. Perfect’s mask, for the structure of the deal to become clear.

The role of Victim is always a form of aggression, and cannot exist without someone acting in the mirroring role of Persecutor, active aggression. The person acting in the passive-aggressive role of Victim is issuing an implicit threat, telegraphing to us that if we do not agree with them, they will flip into actively aggressing us in the role of Persecutor. Victim requires both a Persecutor, and an audience, the ‘Herd’ or ‘Mob’ acting in the passive-aggressive role of Rescuer, to run the game.

Ideally if we do not capitulate to them, they seek to flip the Herd or Mob into the role of Persecutor to obtain the required 50:1 ratio against us. We avoid this noise, by simply walking away. Do not pick fights you cannot win.

Similarly, people trapped in Toxic Drama and The Herd can exit it instantly: Simply #WalkAway.

Victim, Persecutor and Rescuer are not only the fundamental elements of the Drama Triangle, they are the foundation of the Marxist Hegelian Dialectic, by which entire nations have been manipulated and subjugated into genocidal bloodbaths. All three roles are forms of manipulative aggression.

This recognition of veiled aggression is essential to detecting the difference between journalism, and the Fake News Propagandists and their relentless assault on humanity, deploying Weaponized Drama against us in endless sensationalism, Problem - Reaction - Solution, the Marxist Dialectic.

The Marxist Dialectic: Problem - False Flag Persecution. Reaction - Victim, lots of victims. Solution - Rescue, our ‘salvation’ at the hands of the freak perps themselves.

“These people are sick.”

Contriving one Persecution after another attempting to drive all of humanity as Victims, into the devouring arms of our Rescuer, the Satanic Globalist Nanny-State.

These are not nice people. They are parasites, who mask their craving to rob us of the fruits of our labors and plunder our health and happiness, with a veneer of feigned politesse and condescending intellect. The aggression implicit in the employment of the Drama Triangle against us as a weapon, is extremely easy to verify: Try pointing this out to them, watch them flip to aggression, attacking you in response, playing to The Herd seeking to marginalize you in the eyes of your peers.

We know without asking, that the displays of heady erudition by the pseudo-intellectual psychopaths in the media and infesting our universities indoctrinating and violating our children, are meant to intimidate, rather than to inform, and that if we question the concepts they present, we will be scorned and derided as unwashed, unenlightened.

People who resort to Drama are implicitly dishonest, whether they are Marxists, or ordinary people, even little children, who due to lack of integrity or low self-esteem, have concluded they cannot get their needs or wants met directly, honestly.

This is the unfortunate, and devastating personal and social disempowerment the entire political left movement was infected with, in its transformation by socialism. Toxic Drama is always the attempt to manipulate people into doing something or agreeing to something they would not freely consent to, absent aggressive coercion. This is the subjugation into groupthink, and the consequent violent, divisive and entirely witless mob behaviors we witness worldwide.

Subjugation into Groupthink, The Strident Assertion
The bleak desolation the socialist authors you are quoting view the world with, and allege we need them to Rescue us from, is a projection from within them, not a condition of the world in reality. For example, the cell phone and computer they claim are tragically isolating me, in reality allow me to connect with a vast percentage of the people on planet earth. I can speak instantly with people doing research in Antarctica! And conduct international business effortlessly, sitting in a tree, on a mountain in the sun.

With an extraordinarily high percentage of the sum-total of human knowledge at my fingertips.

Knowledge is power, period. Knowledge, is the universal solvent to all the existential woes these authors are alleging we suffer from and are imprisoned by. They are uniformly chanting our disempowerment at us attempting to seduce us into Drama, simultaneously trying to drive a wedge between us and the very tools which give us the solutions to the problems they conjure upon us: Access to knowledge–the wellspring of innovation and liberation including the ability to interact and share our thoughts freely with the rest of the human race.

They require us to be divided, for their parasitism to succeed against us.

These are cruel, dishonest people. There is no mystery why every time in history the poor and ignorant, purposefully-downtrodden masses have been bilked into believing the lofty-sounding ideals they espouse, it plummeted from that moment, directly into genocidal bloodbaths. Simple bait-and-switch.

Socialism is Weaponized Toxic Drama: Victim, Persecutor and Rescuer, writ large.

Association with people who are under the spell of such, always results in impoverishment at every level, particularly at the level of the soul.

These people as a group are motivated by fear, rather than the longing which motivates healthy people; are inherently dishonest which means they can neither trust nor be trusted, are afflicted with significantly higher levels of physical and mental illness, depression, anxiety, addiction, infidelity and broken relationships, higher suicide rates and shorter lifespans. Our prisons are packed-full of them.

They are utter cowards, which is key to defeating them. Their inherent cowardice is why they cannot survive sunlight, and why women, loving mothers in their ferocity protecting their own, terrify them.

Harmony, integrity, chastity, charity, honor, dignity, virtue and every other form of True Personal Power, especially Love, cannot exist for people who are trapped in association with creatures such as these, and are indeed kryptonite against them.

I realize this is something which is not pleasant to hear, and hope you will not think poorly of me for sharing it with you. A vital alternative to this malaise, is Happiness, at your fingertips.

If you are willing to #WalkAway from people like this, and strive to remove all Drama from within you - then you will be a winner.

What’s a soyboy?

Pirate Party defends freedom of speech, and you have the right to say everything you’ve said here. At the same time, we advocate for transparency and accountability. People deserve to know who they’re voting for next National Congress (assuming you’d never be appointed to a position again). That’s why I didn’t try to stop you from talking; I encouraged you to continue.

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Hello Brenden

Well I guess “the lot of you” must include me, so I would be intrested in getting some more of your insite into the failings of the PPA, and what could to be done to address them.

I suggest you clarify, now, or refrain from the cheap shots.

Hi Tom,

Some People
This suggests there is more than just JW, lets come out, and name them.
Otherwise you need, to step down from any positions so the party can move forward.

The right to free speech underpins opposition to oppression and was a key historical tool in fighting tyranny, even today.

With changing mediums for communication our messages change as well. Intentionally or implicitly. Today, speech is misused or has consequences beyond the speaker’s intent.

The goal of every political party must on a fundamental to speak its truths. To form a movement which is united and coherent. When members label themselves with that movement but express contrarian views, the message is diffused and the movement is confused.

@John_Wilson you have attacked and dismissed what looks like a reasonable attempt at dialogue. Rather than an apology after the fact for offence given, a love of free speech would be better accompanied by a love of dialogue and engagement. Consider where you have dismissed other peoples views, and consider alternate reasons why your views might be in such a fringe minority. Our strategic goal is to appeal to a populous majority. Consider how your strongly expressed opinions may affect that.

@dcrafti your goals are laudable. I sorely regret not having been more active in the Pirates while you were an office holder.

@rundll I appreciate your input. But your advice to kick in the bucket is coming from a place of burnout. We’re still very much active in other discussion spaces and offline. This space is not a blocker unless it gets bogged down into meta discussions rather than visionary ones.

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