Formal proposal to rename the Pirate Party by 2018

So after discussing this for years with many people, and with the major changes to the electoral system coming, I thought I’d put pen to paper and write a proposal for renaming the Party in the most viable and reasonable way possible.

I have always said that I believe the Pirate brand had a ‘10 year use by date’ which we are quick approaching since our formation in 2008. Indeed, it could be seen the 10 year date has been hit if you count the fact the Swedish party formed in 2006. Given my beliefs on this, it seemed prudent that I attempt to come up with the next best evolutionary step for the Party, so please, see below my proposal.

I look forward to the robust discussion that is obviously to follow. :smile:


Core aspects

  • Spin off Pirate brand as new NGO entitled “Pirate Bureau”
  • Reincorporate Pirate Party as Libertarian Left Party
  • Proposal and vote at 2016 Congress, confirmation vote in 2017, transition to be completed by 2018

Arguments for transition to new name

  1. The Pirate movement is dead as a party political organ.
  2. The world no longer needs a party political voice for intellectual properly reform exclusively, technology is winning.
  3. Bigger issues have appeared that we are best positioned to attack, particularly universal basic income,
    human rights issues, civil liberties issues, education issues, and the rest of our policy set.
  4. We have become a movement in our own right. We are the only Party in the lower-left quadrant of the political axes in Australia.
  5. The Party constitution specifically was written in mind to influence other parties and act as a lobbying organ, with a secondary mind to getting elected. We achieved quite a lot of influence in our time, but in a post-GVT world, and as we aspire to genuinely effect change through election from a local level up, it’s time for a change to remain relevant.
  6. The proposed name has a similar effect that Pirate used to: it strikes to the heart of the biased political sphere in Australia and says that we represent a strong, viable new direction to take Australia that legitimately and openly solves each problem.
  7. Strongly positions us between the Greens (“socialist, green, left”) and the LDP (“corporatist, libertarian, right”), while also positioning us as a legitimate alternative to the major parties through a pragmatic but not ‘centrist’ approach to problems.
  8. Ordinarily we avoid using the term ‘left’, though looking at the Pirate ethos through a political scientific lens, we are strongly ‘left-libertarian’. We are strongly about the individual, but not to the point of destroying society as a consequence. We recognise that human freedoms only exist within a strong framework of human rights and society, and that a highly democratic state is indistinguishable from no state at all, as interference is only there when the individual needs said interference (welfare, emergency services, healthcare).
  9. Avoiding terminology and talking around the issues is one of the core issues of the Australian political sphere. We’ve spent 8 years taking back the word ‘pirate’ and using it to our advantage. We can—with our experience—do the very same with these terms, which have not yet been used in the Australian political sphere. They are attention grabbing, they guarantee us our position in the Australian political context, and the name is broad enough to attract all those persons who culturally fit within our organisation.

FAQ

Q: How do you propose the Party would be referred to in election material, etc?

Libertarian Left. Leave the ‘Party’ suffix for formal documentation such as bank accounts, etc.

Q: What would we nominally be called in shortform?

LibLeft. Short, easy, shiny.

If we flip the adjective and noun, we’d be LeftLib.

We can also use the initialism LLP.

I look forward to the continued bikeshed discussion.

Q: Why this specific name, “Libertarian Left”?

This is the exact quadrant of the political axes that the Pirate Party in Australia actually fits. Take a gander at the left-libertarianism page on Wikipedia and you’ll quickly see many overlaps with how the Pirate Party policy set exists and how the party functions.

While even I personally don’t like the term, it is the most accurate for our politics. It also gives us a distinctive name and functions as a weapon of definition. We can clearly state what our politics is, and have a discussion with the electorate about what that means. It makes it clear that we fill a gap in the Australian political sphere, and that we’re willing to strongly represent it.

As we’re strongly about transparency, I think it’s very appropriate we were more upfront about our politics.

Q: What about the terminology as applied in American politics? Won’t we be confused for the American radical right?

Well, the main conservative party in Australia is the Liberal Party, and in America, liberal means radical left. Comparing Australian (or European, South East Asian, East Asian, Indian or Middle Eastern) politics to America is not a highly relevant factor.

Q: I think you’ll lose the ‘right’ for calling it left and the ‘left’ for calling it libertarian. What do you think?

I think that is a reasonable assertion based on the traditionally narrow minded views of the mainstream media that paints Australian politics on a one-dimensional axis.

However, the argument falls apart very quickly as it becomes evident that the Party stands on a platform that significantly differs not only from the two major parties, but even the Greens and the LDP. We are an independent and unique party that is largely the only one that fits in the left-libertarian part of the political axis. I again invite you to consider the left-libertarianism page on Wikipedia and see how well the Pirate Party fits within this broad quadrant of politics and how no other Australian party does.

I challenge you to consider another name that clearly encapsulates these facts, and welcome the feedback.

Q: Aren’t both the terms Libertarian and Left tainted to the point of no return?

Yes. So are the words: ‘green’, ‘freedom’, ‘liberal’, ‘conservative’, ‘market’, ‘common-sense’, and even ‘pirate’. During the 2013 election, some feminists came out against our party because the German Pirates had said something sexist a year prior. There is no spoon, we cannot objectively win with any given name, but it a matter of how much you can gain. We can gain a lot more from this name than we would lose, particularly opposed to using another name like “Freedom Party” or “Science and Tech Party”. They either bring up different imagery than intended, or are limiting in their depth, much like Pirate has been in practice.

However, I do believe that tainted or otherwise, this name is the strongest name we could use.

One of the major problems with Pirate as a party political name is it demonstrably does not have mass appeal in Australia, something which is important for electability, which should be our primary aim. Libertarian Left is not only self-describing as a brand, it is a strong unifier for the lower left quadrant of politics where we lie, and should draw attention to those people who have similar political leanings but either never knew we existed or thought putting effort into an unelectable organisation to not be worth it. It would be folly to underestimate the power of a name that clearly says “Not Labor, not Liberal, not the Greens and not the LDP.”

However, some have argued that it is possible that this name could draw comparisons with the Liberal Democrat Party due to the introduction of Libertarian to the name. There is no evidence that the name Libertarian has been tainted to the degree that words like “Freedom” have been, nor that it lacks the mass appeal necessary to get a quota of votes to be elected at any level of politics. Most recently, the “Freedom and Prosperity Party” was deregistered; they were formerly known as the “No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics Party”. Not the kind of bed-fellows you really want to associate with.

There are of course risks from those self-selected ‘libertarians’ such as Leyonhjelm, who fails to meet even the most broad definition of libertarian, as he strongly opposes science which is necessary for growth under a right-libertarian economic model (largely the only model the right-libertarians care about). However, the Pirate Party where possible has been sanitising the name for many years, often being referred to as a civil libertarian party in the media and by those I’ve spoken to. Other groups such as the EFA have been referred to as civil libertarian for years as well. Any time you talk about human and digital rights, you will be branded a civil libertarian.

This demonstrates that Libertarian Left—or a variant of those two words—makes it very clear in context where we stand, and what we intend to do, and it doesn’t take a genius or a spinster to explain to the common person what it means and how it differs to any other variant of libertarian or left that you can imagine.

To tackle the final argument that this name may deter voters: anything can deter voters, but I believe this rename would not deter any voter who would have voted Pirate in the first place based on a reading of our policy set and not for the amusement or cultural factor (of which 0.5% isn’t strongly demonstrative of), and would not deter any voter who would never have voted Pirate in the first place due to either name or policy.

I believe, as I asserted above in my argumentation, that the name will only broaden our appeal as it claims an entire quadrant of the political spectrum which has been neglected for centuries and deserves strong representation.

Q: Would another party be able to register as the Pirate Party if we no longer use it?

Yes. This isn’t a real problem, as if the arguments herein are accepted, and we vote to change our name, we’re tacitly accepting the name is no longer useful, and best of luck to those people who attempt to reuse it in the future (though we doubt you’ll get far and we won’t be impressed with your lack of originality).

Q: My fear would be that for the common voter that has no interest in political terminology we would just look like another small fringe party. Why wouldn’t this be the case?

This is an important question. Upon relaunching the party, we must blitz the media to control our brand, much like the first time we launched as Pirate. It works quite well, everyone is interested in the novelty of your existence, and it’s hard to argue “one policy party” with this name.

Branding is everything. You can win or lose your initial base with three things before you even start: name, logo, and website design. Creating that initial impression of growth and professionalism is something that is much more tangibly possible than with our current branding.

It is important to accept that this name is meant to be a wedging name that demonstrates we are not like the other parties. It is one of the sharpest distinctions between Pirate which is meant to be a bit silly, a bit unelectable, but still dead serious at its core. We’re just saying we’re now dead serious in all aspects, watch out for us. Let’s not forget the people vote for parties named Palmer United and Animal Justice without getting a laughed at.

Unlike groups like the socialist left or libertarian right, we fill a position that is neglected not only by both the major parties, but the two largest minor parties, the LDP and the Greens. We are merely clarifying directly that we are the progressive power in the bottom left corner everyone has forgotten about.

One of the most common questions we get asked is how we differ from the Greens, when to any Pirate, this is obvious. This name makes the distinction sharp and clear: we are similar to the Greens, but not too similar; we can work together as we are both thinking parties, but we won’t agree on all things.

If we stay Pirate, we guarantee our status as a small fringe party.

Q: I don’t want to stop being a Pirate though. What about me?

Pirate isn’t going anywhere. The Pirate brand will be spun-off as an NGO where the core features of the original Pirate movement will be able to flourish more freely than within the political infrastructure. We were always in practice a lobbying organ, and as a separate NGO with a strong and vibrant brand that screams “no compromise!”, this will continue with fewer restraints. All current Pirate Party members will be founding members of that NGO (unless you opt out, I presume).

There is also no reason you can’t identify your politics as Pirate within the left-libertarian ecosystem. That’s where it belongs, and it is a legitimate brand of left-libertarian ideology. We intend to continue with our current method of politics regardless of a name change. The culture will never die, only evolve as it always has.

Q: What about other Pirate Parties? How will our relationship change?

Our relationship will not change, and might actually as a result have renewed vigor as other parties see a new direction they may wish to take with their own party. Since the Pirate Bay trial era, the movement as a whole has been in a slow decline towards irrelevance. The Swedish Party is largely unrecognisable compared to how it used to be, the German party has been more or less captured by internal factionalism, resulting in significantly neglect of the only Pirate Party representative in EU Parliament, Julia Reda (and I give her strong credit as she’s doing her best).

There is a strong feeling from the remnants of the movement that are left and still active that we need to regroup and relaunch under a new name that more closely represents our current way of thinking. One could consider the Swedish era as Pirate Party 1.0, the rise of the Germans as Pirate Party 2.0, and the collapse of PPI and the larger movement, stagnation of the movement at large, and the rise of more openly left-libertarian organisations like the Icelandic Pirate Party as Pirate Party 3.0. This proposal merely takes us to the next level of accepting that the brand is no longer relevant 10 years after its skyrocketing into the political sphere and slow decline.

tl;dr we’re still Pirates, but we’re the new version. We’ll work with any other group where there’s overlap as we always have done. You shouldn’t have to have the same name to be part of the same political network.

Q: An old mantra of the Party was that we fit neither in the left nor right, as we are about “information politics” and we “transcend traditional labels”. Are you arguing that this is not true?

I am arguing that we have outgrown these mantras. When the Party first started, we had a very limited policy set focused on transparency, intellectual property reform (copyright and patents), privacy rights, digital rights, and eventually broadly even human rights. These, in principle, are neither left nor right concepts, but basic reforms for a functional, modern and free society.

However, eventually our policy set developed further as our ambitions grew. We now have policies in traditional areas of politics such as health, education, taxation, etc. Now these types of policies can very easily be considered within the two-dimensional political spectrum, and even at a cursory observance, we are left-libertarian.

It cannot therefore be said that we, in whole, transcend these labels. We still attack the issue of how to deal with a modern society differently to any movement that predates us, but that doesn’t mean we’re unique, perfect snowflakes that came to these conclusions without anyone else thinking anything similar in the whole of human history. We will be continuing in the left-libertarian tradition in a Pirate strain. I think that’s quite awesome.

We’re actually at the point where we can say that the Pirate ideology (yes, we have that now) is not only a real thing, but a continuation and consolidation of a body of thought going back hundreds of years into pragmatic and implementable policies for a robust, modern liberal democracy.

Q: Can we be purple now?

Yes.

Proposed implementation procedure

Referendum of name change

  1. Propose full details (as currently known) of actual plan, which is roughly:
  2. Rename and rebrand party to Libertarian Left Party in 2018. This means we have until 2018 to create all new materiel
    for the party rebrand, such as narrative, focus, branding, etc.
  3. Create in 2018 an NGO called Pirate Bureau to continue Pirate lineage, and create committee to draft its
    constitution and other necessary aspects. Elections for roles will occur in 2018 at the same time as the
    AGM for the Pirate Party, and membership will consist of all current Pirate Party members but be a
    legally separate organ.
  4. Form a federal corporation for the purposes of alleviating the pain caused by having a NSW association.
  5. Disband and transfer all current Pirate Party named accounts etc at the conclusion of the transition
    with the AEC into the new legal identity.
  6. Undertake an ordinary motion for these proceedings, that requires a confirmation vote in 2017 AGM to
    proceed.
  7. Until 2017 AGM, build up all necessary materiel for rebrand etc to present to Party.
  8. Once accepted by affirmation at 2017 AGM, legal nonsense begins for implementing the good stuff.

Handling legal transition

  1. Provide all relevant documentation to NSW Fair Trading to resolve current status.
  2. Create federal legal entity
  3. Create bank accounts, etc as necessary
  4. Transfer what you can to new legal entity, otherwise create new and delete old
  5. Rename with AEC
  6. Disband old legal entity at 2018 AGM and affirm new entity.

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New name aside, I’m in favour.

Bikeshedding: go!

I think ‘Libertarian Left’ (or ‘Left Libertarian’) are good descriptions but will be bad names.

Australia is the land of contractions and shorthand.

We currently get confused on the ground with the Liberals for our colour being blue - that’s how little it takes. ‘Libertarian Left’ might just be distinct enough, but ‘LibLeft’ or ‘LeftLib’ aren’t. Realistically, the syllable ‘Lib’ is owned by the Liberals and we’d be fighting 60 years of pervasiveness to reclaim it.

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A common argument I hear every now and then but have never seen the data to back this up. I’ve had one really old lady get confused during the Griffith (Qld) byelection, and that’s the extent of my anecdata. Every other booth I’d been at and every other person I’d spoken to had not even implied they had initially confused us with the Liberals. It might be, you know, the name Pirate that makes the major distinction.

Which isn’t a real problem, imho. We don’t publicly use the term PPAU. When the media shortened Pirate, they usually shortened it to PPA or just PIR. I suspect we’d get shorted by the media to the LLP, and it’s something we could use ourselves as well, much like the ALP uses… ALP, but rarely refers to themselves as the Australian Labor Party, but merely the Labor Party.

I’m curious, given the argument that Lib is “owned” by the Liberals that the media would even shorten the name themselves. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I’ll update the nominal naming part with this bikeshed.

I dislike the abbreviation of “LibLeft” as the current mentality of the Australian voters will think we’re associated with the Liberal Party, thereby thinking we’d be by extension supporting the current government. LDP got voted in simply due to people thinking they were the Liberal party, then felt they were robbed of their vote when they discovered otherwise.

Our name is unique to the Australian political ecosystem. Yes, people to this day still question our name, but at least it gets people thinking. I would like it to keep it that way personally.

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This argument is faulty, in that no casual observer would ever think that the Liberal Party could be considered left in any context, and therefore it has to refer to a separate organisation. Alternatively, people still think that every party is in cahoots with every other party in one way or another. If it’s not a “Greens secretly run the Labor Party” conspiracy, it’s “Greens are in bed with the Liberals” conspiracy (current trope is the GVT changes, therefore the Greens are Liberals now, lol).

They had the first column of the NSW ballot and specifically have the word Liberal—not Libertarian—in their name. Similarly, it is amazing to me still that ~6% of Liberal voters are so illiterate they would vote for the wrong party. Still not sure how this is an argument against the proposal here.

No, nobody does, because nobody talks about the Pirate Party anymore. We have had almost no media coverage since 2013, and we’ve not been invited to any debates for any purpose in perhaps longer. That’s the problem this proposal seeks to fix: the stagnation.

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Added this part after some discussion on IRC.

[13:29] <CAPT-Irrelevant> <Brendan> nobody gets confused in the media about the Liberal Democrats anymore. lel // That was AFTER voters cracked the shits after feeling they were duped
[13:29] <Brendan> CAPT-Irrelevant: yes, and we’re now in the world where this has in fact happened.
[13:30] <Brendan> the Liberal name has been tainted and is no longer a confusing monodefinitional virgin.

There’s not as much risk using a word starting with “Lib” anymore in a world since the 2013 election.

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(In which I also am crossposting from IRC):

Fuck it. I give in. Let’s do this. Don’t even put ‘party’ on the electoral materials, just “libertarian left”.

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My initial reaction was “Yuck!” but the more I reflect upon it and your discussion, the more it grows on me. Go for it!

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Agree with everything except the name and offer this thought.

No Party in Australia with the possible exception of the Greens accurately reflects the reasoning for the name it was given and still uses. Labor Liberals and Nationals as they now stand bear little or no relation to what motivated people to found them and name them.

Their policy settings would be in many cases unrecognisable to their founders.

The question then is, is having name that, even if it accurately describes who we are now, really that important?

Could we find an alternative that is attractive but less descriptive?

As it stands i have no alternative to offer but thinking has begun, does anyone want to do some too?

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An interesting position. I’d rather that parties changed their names as their positions changed.

Notwithstanding, as I say above though:

Challenge accepted. Hopefully others will have a think too. You may have nailed it in one but but it never hurts to have a bit of think.

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Hence proposing this at the beginning of March as opposed to a week before Congress in July. :smiley:

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Agree with most of it.

I agree with others, its good descriptive name, but its a bit intense. I dont like the ‘bike shed’, but we should try and at least come up with a short list of possible alternative names.

I think we should look at the name change within the context of developing a completely new brand, and maybe even try and identify the demographic we want to target, are there stats from the facebook page that help identify our current demogrpahic ?

We should aim for a brand that center-left non-conservative people would definitely want in their top 6 on the new senate paper.

Xenophon was 6th in 2013 with 1.93%, but its difficult to know what effect these changes will have, a lot of micro parties will disappear (EDIT: which will mean the rest will become concentrated at that % will go up), and also a lot of votes will exhaust (EDIT: which will push that % down), people will vote 1-6 and no more.

There are other minor/micro parties i consider in the Libertarian Left quadrant (i could be wrong) who ran in the 2013 senate vote; Total is 4.43%

  • Sex 1.37%
  • Hemp 0.71%
  • Animal Justice 0.70% (disafected greens?)
  • Wikileaks 0.66%
  • Pirate Party 0.30%
  • Democrats 0.25% (but close to center)
  • Voluntary euthenasia party 0.16%
  • Secular Party 0.09%
  • Drug Law Reform 0.08%

Greens would be the main competition for Libertarian Left IMO, and they got 8.65%

ALP+LNP have policy of a agreeing on anything security related, and i dont see that changing in the long term, so the Left Libertarian (And right Libertarian that we already have) is definitely going to be a valid minor party core value in the long term IMO. Particularly right now due to global security and at the state level with lockout laws.

EDIT: Age is a very telling demographic politically, that might influence our branding. If we are all old intellectuals a complex name isnt a problem, if we are strong in young politically naive people they wont understand

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“We’ve spent 8 years taking back the word ‘pirate’ and using it to our advantage”, and now you want to spend another 8 years explaining “Libertarian Left”?

(Incidentally, I used to like the term “libertarian” as a descriptor, but it’s been utterly destroyed by teabaggers and an assortment of other cranks over the last half century.)

Also, selectively quoting the arguments in the original post:

1: The Pirate movement is dead as a party political organ.
4: We have become a movement in our own right. We are the only Party in the lower-left quadrant of the political axes in Australia.

Don’t those statements kinda conflict?

TL;DR: I’ve read the arguments in favour, and I get what you’re saying about where we are in the political spectrum, but I’m having extreme difficulty seeing a name change as anything other than a large expenditure of time and effort, coupled with the loss of a certain spirit. Sorry, but I think I’ll be voting “no”…

Times changed, and Pirate isn’t useful anymore. Any more effort would be an irrational escalation of commitment.

It’s significantly easier to explain what left-libertarianism is than Pirate, particularly since you won’t get laughed at by the name itself and actually have the opportunity to engage. This, regardless of what name we choose, is the most important factor.

When we were strongly focused on core policy points, making a splash and getting attention on those entirely neglected policy points, Pirate was useful. It got us places we couldn’t get before. The problem is we were so successful that other organisations are happy to defend ‘pirates’ openly, and are invited to debates and advocacy situations in our place—CHOICE, ACCAN, and the Australian Digital Alliance, are just some orgs that used to shy away from these issues and now take them at the forefront, such as action against the TPP.

Let me remind you that prior to activity by the Pirate Party on ACTA and TPP in Australia, not even the Greens gave a shit. In fact, prior to Pirate contact with the Greens in the early days, the Greens were tentatively in favour of ACTA.

But, in the last three years? Very little. Cliche attempted trap interviews on the radio that always fail, nothing else. The brand no longer possesses the political value necessary for the party to grow without an extremely muddled discussion about party history, platform growth, and “yes the name is a bit of an anachronism now I suppose.”

When we put out a press release about refugees, some people asked “why?” — this is a major issue with branding and not something that can be resolved with Pirate, which people still either think is a one-issue party, a heavily focussed party, or worse still, some people still confuse us for the defunct and misnomered WikiLeaks Party. I get blasted every few weeks by an apparatchik idiot who thinks we preferenced fascists, lol.

No, though at least you admit the selectiveness.

Movement is the concept at large: what it means to be a Pirate, who you work with, the ethos, etc. It has constantly been muddied by people who refused to actually build anything other than a ‘vibe’ of what the Pirates are, or always defaulting to something written on Falkvinge’s blog once. That’s not a movement. That’s a cult.

The international movement is largely gone, many parties either no longer exist or never really grew sufficiently to work with anyone in the first place. We’ve always largely worked alone, and worked in spite of the name, taking advantage of it in the few places where it was worthwhile: getting media attention, drawing voters to talk to you in an extremely apathetic environment, and having the comfort to grow in an experimental environment where powermongers have no interest in being. The name Pirate specifically pushed those people away who were the types who would walk away just because of a name.

That’s not useful anymore however. I do not see the point expending effort in a Party that in the Australian system stands approximately 0% chance of getting more than one seat anywhere in the country. The most likely outcome would be a few choice spots on some random councils, and maybe an accidental elections to a Senate-equivalent in one of the states due to ballot exhaustion. 0.5% is not a convincing argument to keep a name.

Talk to anyone who has lobbied on behalf of this Party and you’ll quickly see a pattern of disenfranchisement due to the difficulty of dealing with other people when they can’t see how you’d be useful to them at all, because the name drives people away. I want the Party to actually effect change in a post-GVT country where we will no longer have one of the most useful political tools that the Party was actually designed to take advantage of. We already largely got other parties to adopt our copyright policies (LDP and Greens to a large effect), so our original goals have been met.

The “loss of a certain spirit” is simply FUD. The Pirate organisation will continue to exist as the Pirate Bureau without the burdens of being a ‘serious political party’. If anything, the spirit will be enlivened by not being limited to walking the line of “radical digital activist org” and “serious political party”. We were never a protest party and never will be, so we need a name that reflects that.

Now, if you have constructive feedback on a name that will actually work, or a constructive argument on why Pirate is that name, I’m all ears.

Social Democrats is a similar description for our policies, there is a “Social Democratic Party” in lots of countries, but there has already been a Social Democratic Party, it only stood in one election.

Anything with “Democratic” in its name is hard to paint as extreme.

Liberal Democratic Party.

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I definitely agree with the description vs name dilema. I really don’t like the term “Libertarian” as I feel it carries bad connotations, especially considering what the LDP policies are like…

Maybe something with “Progressive” in the title might work, I don’t know what permutations of that are still available, though.

Say I proposed instead “Left-Libertarian Party”, would that change things? Simply put, left-libertarianism is a separate concept from right-libertarianism, which has over time captured the label and tried to make it generic. One of the benefits of recent turmoil regarding confusion between Liberal and LDP is that we can take advantage of the inertia and really change the perceptions of ‘liberal-’ based words going forward. A risky strategy to be sure, but one I think that’s worth attempting.

Never forget that politics has no memory. You can rename a party as many times as you want, and the electorate will be very forgiving, because there’s never a lack of desire for something better. If this doesn’t work, then we can try something else. Though, again, if someone can suggest something better, I am all ears.

I feel that ‘progressive’ simply invokes feelings of populism and ‘centrism’, which is not something I think we want to convey, though that’s worth discussing.

Seems one of the major gripes so far has been a lack of hyphen. Let the bikeshedding begin!

Pick your preferred variant of the name.

  • Left‐Libertarian
  • Left Libertarian
  • Libertarian Left

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